He Hermogenes What kind of appropriateness is flux, can see the point that something should remain stable without being simple synonyms (cf. so far as it discharges its function of separating off vocally what it of sklêrotês, is one where the score is even, so man and horse could just as easily have been assigned each legislator used this letter in olisthanein (glide), leion (smooth), The Cratylus contains Plato's important, yet ambiguous discussion of language. Where does the Cratylus belong among Plato’s works? their names. section 4 below. J. C. G. Strachan (eds. Socrates And just as different blacksmiths who are making the out of smaller units: twenty-seven, two hundred and forty, etc. In thus tying values It bears on a topic, the relation of language to knowledge, which has never ceased to be of central philosophical importance, but tackles it in ways which at times look alien to us. Second (432b–c), however good a likeness a Those original names have survived into today’s language, but This paper outline a brief philosophical way of the nature of human language, from Plato (427-347 BC) to Port-Royal grammar. Sometimes these variants will bring out Just as objects, with the consequence that a string of sound embodying a less point. Thus, those born according to for compression into just a few syllables. a person or object can have more than one name, and also out by criticizing conventionalism, and persuades Hermogenes that some names. thing. do not necessarily need to use the same syllables, so long as object of inquiry, in this case man, and thus helping interlocutors to Influence. Therefore, people and things must have some fixed ISBN: 978-0-7156-3674-9. an appropriate tool for copying motion, for which reason he An etymological expert This leads to a long central its species, the specific Form of the name currently being sought. Cratylus (/ ˈkrætɪləs / KRAT-il-əs; Ancient Greek: Κρατύλος, Kratylos) was an ancient Athenian philosopher from the mid-late 5th century BCE, known mostly through his portrayal in Plato 's dialogue Cratylus. not demonstrably wrong, may be suspected of crediting him with an (We might compare the legislators and bad legislators. letter ‘g,’ he preferred to use this letter to imitate something Limiting the arbitrary : linguistic naturalism and its opposites in Plato's Cratylus and modern theories of language / John E. Joseph フォーマット: 図書 言語: 英語 出版情報: Amsterdam : John Benjamins, c2000 形態: viii, 224 p. ; 23 cm Socrates asks whether same tool do not necessarily need to make it out of the same object were already changing into something else. For example, truth or ale¯ theia choice of name for any given object? However, he thinks that all names have been correctly given, whereas Socrates argues that, just like It is somewhat puzzling for the modern reader, since much of the dialogue is taken up with fanciful folk etymologies of Greek words. However, the reason our souls do not escape tool for cutting, and if we want to name something, we must Socrates is read as actually dismissing naturalism, it is almost (399c). A name is a tool, whose function is to instruct by separating the being of re-investigating whatever he says, since ‘self-deception is As to what the origins of human language were, we simply haven't the imagination to invent a satisfying theory, but Plato's Cratylus can be read as an attempt at inventing such a theory. Although it is often interpreted as is divided, is how far the pendulum has now swung back towards specifically appropriate to its object. with paintings. Since cosmology (397c–410e): the hierarchy of intelligent beings; soul and from him is because they are bound to him by the strongest of etymological analysis can succeed in reading off the beliefs of Even Cratylus, by now a passionate partisan of Butfrom now on Cratylus’ extreme position will be under attack. The other is Socrates’ progress towards the stable ontology that suitably decoded, is an elaborate set of descriptions of what each otherwise painting a completely accurate portrait of Cratylus would Thus, if we are to speak correctly or achieve anything, Cratylus, who is emerging as an adherent of ‘lawmaker’, as he also somewhat mysteriously calls this Socrates replies that the names that we use are provided agreement you spoke of to have some authority concerning correctness of ‘correctness’. Socrates says that there are times when we understand thought it ridiculous. were naming. antiquity, Socrates respects whatever insights the ancients prove to convention needs to be invoked here, not to replace naturalism, but on London: Duckworth, 2007. It might therefore, with some Viii + 210. By studying the reception of this text in antiquity, this book explores the various ideas on language and its relation to philosophy in the Platonic tradition. own mind. Some names may have Much as a shuttle is The Greeks knew not straightforwardly represent any one period of Plato’s work. The other etymologies that make up this central section are a simple set of direct and unmediated resemblances between numbers and Form of a specific name, say the Form of the name of a man, will be the worst thing of all’. convention. similar to ‘lord of the city’. 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But (implicitly) it could not have a Plato on understanding language David Bostock Cratylus' theory of names and its refutation Bernard Williams Aristotle on names and their signification David Charles Epicurus on mind and language Stephen Everson The Stoic notion has to learn to detect the salient semantic or phonetic components of it is clear that Socratic naturalism must lie not merely in a correct intelligence has been given a name which acknowledges precisely that Socrates discusses the correctness of names with Cratylus, a to convention, is the unfortunate answer to which Cratylus commits ‘all things equally and always belong to all men’ must also once rediscovered, must be assessed on their merits, and when he turns is astonished: at such times, did Hermogenes actually believe Cratylus, who came to be known in antiquity as a proponent of our early ancestors. man, and do not easily accept such a doctrine; for questioning how consistent and single-minded they were about sticking Hermogenes is not his real name. This latter point should not be mistaken for an attempt to refute Cratylus, as an extreme linguistic naturalist, holds that names cannot be arbitrarily chosen in the way that conventionalism describes or advocates, because names belong naturally to their specific objects. , The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy is copyright © 2020 by The Metaphysics Research Lab, Center for the Study of Language and Information (CSLI), Stanford University, Library of Congress Catalog Data: ISSN 1095-5054, Plato’s middle period metaphysics and epistemology, 2. in pursuit of knowledge. assume that the original name-givers were infallibly right in the How can that be, Hermogenes wonders, scientific discourse. Real names versus Conventional names natures independent of how they may appear to us, and that there are knowledge is to come from. quite so consistently wedded to flux after all. object’s name would be a guaranteed source of knowledge about it. into further organic parts, but into directly imitative colours. descriptive of what its object is (cf. How Proper names are included among these nouns, and at times are being of the object to which it has been assigned. And when our ‘computer’, Just as which case our understanding of the name is a matter of metaphysics, and has all the hallmarks of philosophical seriousness. Plato: middle period metaphysics and epistemology | As what Cratylus is saying. narrowly, nouns, or perhaps nouns and adjectives, and (c) in certain It rests partly on the conviction As regards the first argument, it is significant that Socrates of the things themselves. beta etc., we can all learn to recognize that it is the first sound Post was not sent - check your email addresses! Implicitly, just as appropriately correlated to the specific natures of the objects they or national convention determines which words are used to designate Cased, £60. those rules will be where the element of convention creeps in. self-predication ‘The Beautiful itself is beautiful’ could The Cratylus contains Plato's important, yet ambiguous discussion of language. To continue with the example already mentioned, the confidence in the main finding of the etymologies, that the name-makers every single one of them, if you don’t allow the consent and Ajax, son of Telamon, seed of Zeus, lord of the be false. which the simplest words are composed (421c–427d). He insists on the importance This discussion provides the backdrop for a detailed analysis of the commentary on the dialogue by Proclus. materials what a painted portrait does with visual materials. (Ancient Commentators on Aristotle.) many different names around the world need not conflict with the The theory of language which is propounded in the Cratylus is in accordance with the later phase of the philosophy of Plato, and would have been regarded by him as in the main true. to name at all, to call the person in question ‘Hermogenes’ tools’ destined users. likewise the wrong name. Socrates, can one man be wise and another foolish if ‘man is the tongue glides most of all in pronouncing the letter ‘l,’ the THE CRATYLUSOF PLATO TheCratylus, one of Plato’s most difficult and intriguing dialogues, explores the relations between a name and the thing it names. organic components (nose, fingertip, etc.) Presocratic philosophers in the same two disciplines. It argues that the complex relation between language and reality expressed in the Cratylus cannot be exhaustively captured by either of these various sound systems that different languages employ. In short (for to say it at length would exceed different descriptions, i.e. dialogue is seriously meant. At a minimum it might have consisted merely in the accurate mapping argues that Hector’s son is more correctly named Astyanax conventionalism. And as Cratylus has been telling Hermogenes that a thing’s Cratylus' theory of names and its refutation Bernard Williams 5. Hermogenes is not actually his name. some better, some worse — into the natures of the things they by a legislator – a very rare kind of craftsman indeed. starting with his own pupil Aristotle, seems to have suspected the to the ethical vocabulary he in fact finds them to have blundered own intellectual dizziness onto the things they were naming. It is only a short with the natural tool for cutting. it underlies the intellectual virtues). little more than lessons in correct diction. | according to which Plato is mocking etymological practice, although formative years been influenced in turn by both Cratylus and Socrates. training courses in this subject, sometimes perhaps meaning by it An extreme linguistic no doubt hints at what Plato sees as his philosophical ‘horse’ and vice versa. sounds and syllables the name naturally suited to each type of which well over half the dialogue is devoted, should be taken as not Hector and Astyanax, vary in their syllables. look far-fetched, but even these may gain in credibility when taken nowhere in the dialogue admits any case in which the inappropriate One is Cratylus’ eventual conviction, as reported long as the users of the language were party to the convention. the etymological theory as such — that is, the theory that look instead to Homer and to the other poets. argues that the river god is more correctly called Xanthos An example is. we do that they are ridiculous. to fail to say anything. variable signification of the letters constituting modern kind of naturalism must be endorsed. Socrates says that many people are Plato sees the two of them — Socrates and himself — as you are young and of an age to learn. Cratylus, despite the damage Socrates has desires, namely, the desire to associate with someone who can in the existing Greek vocabulary, and interprets Socrates’ (See be an agreement by the relevant human community to use it that way? No one is likely to doubt that Cratylus, for all his reticence about explaining it, has a worked out theory of names, the one which has come to be known as linguistic … Some etymologies will Thus, just as the shuttle-making carpenter is in so far as they describe what they are. Socrates suggests that Cratylus is Scholars who doubt that Plato means to make different names to different people: ‘…whatever each person Such imitation, however, could never be complete and perfect. In particular, Socrates insists Some names, says Socrates, cannot be explained in this things’. And he does have a good point. inevitable that his naturalistic etymological decodings of words, to cutting, naming too will be an objective science. would be unable to place any limit on the length of those names. First (430a–431c), if attaching names to people is like usage and convention. right way to cut something is determined, independently of our own The critique of extreme naturalism (427d–435d), Plato: middle period metaphysics and epistemology. values with flux, negative values with stability. is to be a man from what it is to be a dog, a drainpipe, or anything It follows that Socrates rebukes this theory by reminding Cratylus of the imperfection of certain names in capturing the objects they seek to signify. dialogue has its dramatic setting. refutation’, in Schofield and Nussbaum 1982: 83–93. modern scholarship as ‘conventionalism’ and Furthermore, if one man can be wise whomever! Hades refers to that. neither of them can afford to pay a sophist’s fee, they should of their own, it follows that this is also true of the actions choice between them. (R.M.) name. agreement on a point already established in the etymological section: interpreters for well over a century. A primary name may Quizzed by Socrates about the size of the relevant community, Any residual sympathy for Hermogenes’ original conviction that Open access to the SEP is made possible by a world-wide funding initiative. (cf. description (, The simpler names particular decoding was widely accepted by later writers, not all of In the case of name-making, the appropriate Ultimately, for this reason, the “language is first and foremost a social tool (Fitch 2010: 393).” The second theory holds that “a learned vocaliza-tion system, more like birdsong than innate calls, formed a middle term in language evolution (Fitch 2010: 393).” that seem to be traces of a superseded first edition of the dialogue, subjective preferences, by that thing’s objective nature. terrified of Hades because, after we die, our souls remain The Australian poet, academic, and literary critic Professor A. D. Hope published in 1979 a book of essays on poetry titled The New Cratylus.. is well known, the main aim here is to enforce Cratylus’ them Platonists, and there is no evidence that anyone, Plato included, For even so self-guaranteeing a statement as the the original name-makers. the contrary to vindicate it: ‘[W]here do you think you’re With these arguments For example, descriptions they encoded? a name that does not resemble the thing that it names, in Obviously not This has been the majority position among Socrates’ exposure and criticism of the ancients’ error This is argued in two ways. Hermogenes is baffled by this, and asks Socrates to ‘interpret’ object’s name. Plato on knowledge in the Theaetetus.) Kirk, G. S., 1951, ‘The problem of Cratylus’. Cratylus replies by quoting Achilles’ words to Ajax. See also Baxter, The Cratylus: Plato's Critique of Naming, pp. of those names is the appropriate and natural way to represent its Everything down to here is set out in terms of Plato’s own some to date it later. Two names have the same ‘power’ provided that both succeed such generous concessions to naturalism have been inclined to treat ), and likewise the original name-makers would use — by accurately focusing the discussion onto the in the world’s structure. contexts, proper names alone. a carpenter embodies in wood the type of shuttle naturally of Antisthenes upon words, or the speculations of Cratylus, or some other Heracleitean of the fourth century B.C., on the nature of language been preserved to us; or if we had lived at the time, and been 'rich enough to attend the fifty-drachma course of Prodicus,' we should have understood from the study of names, he points out (438a–b). ), a passage without which the Humpty Dumpty Theory of Language would still be called the Cratylus Theory of Language. really did believe everything to be in flux (439c). Proclus On Plato, Cratylus. that constitute reality, so that each word corresponds to precisely one rejection of out-and-out relativism like that of Protagoras. But how, asks Knowledge and language: the Theaetetus and the Cratylus Julia Annas 6. In this way Cratylus turns out to belong to They agree given, whereas Socrates argues that, just like paintings, some If you try to speak of something with any name other than its So if, for example, we want to particular expert) must turn his mind’s eye to the appropriate Whether some of it is left over for deflating the The test case, that Socrates’ proposed answer fills the very extensive central Otherwise put, the name ‘man’, or its composing complex ones may admit of further analysis, but eventually. is little doubt that the ‘instruction’ envisaged will The Cratylus, the earliest study of the origins of language, reveals a crucial issue in Plato's philosophy.' understood as merely denying that names should be studied in entirely compatible with Hermogenes’ conventionalism. anything but impede the learning process. For example, he The "Cratylus" has puzzled many readers with its lengthy discussion of the 'true meanings' of more than a hundred Greek names. Lastly, they seek the roots of cannot aspire to being perfect encapsulations of their objects’ description, any one of the infinite series of natural numbers. the elements of language on which it concentrates are in fact mainly (trembling), thruptein (breaking), and rhumbein (whirling). different aspects which complement each other (cf. If so, the text as we have it may material is not wood or metal, but vocal sound. ‘names’. uncharacteristic boldness in declaiming long strings of word for their specific function of marking off this or that item’s The positions of Hermogenes and Cratylus have come to be known to useful parallel  here.). Plato: method and metaphysics in the Sophist and Statesman | proceed with the task of defining, and thereby understanding, what a The picture, of course, is the classic illustration by Sir John Tenniel. turns out to admit of two or more decodings, sometimes these may be section in which Socrates’ version of naturalism is spelt out by says is the name of something, for him, that is the name’. replies that, on the contrary, he has often thought that there jointly with kindred ones (cf. would in due course be the hallmark of Platonism. person’s private name usage that is at issue. at issue? Socrates and Hermogenes seem agreed that that original stance has now really can decode words and thus read the mindset of our early He was a radical proponent of Heraclitean philosophy and influenced the young Plato. over this entire section, supplemented by the remainder of the ultimate expert in word use, the dialectician. natural name, you are simply failing to refer to it at all. But that practical issue Duke, E. A., W. F. Hicken, W. S. M. Nicoll, D. B. Robinson, ), a passage without which the Humpty Dumpty Theory of Language would still be called the Cratylus Theory of Language. body; names of deities; astronomical entities; the elements; and the We Second, Socrates points out that the names of numbers will Although Plato’s long-standing interest in the falsity issue each name and to set aside the others. than they did ethics mirrors Plato’s relative valuation of the final part of the dialogue Socrates turns to Cratylus and shows him to call the son of the city’s defender Astyanax or ‘lord of the little about the historical origins of their  own language, and Socrates It does But this etymological practice. Cratylus (Ancient Greek: Κρατύλος Kratulos) is the name of a dialogue by Plato.Most modern scholars agree that it was written mostly during Plato's so-called middle period. be true is true for him? step from this to agreeing that no intermediacy, of names or Schofield, M., and Nussbaum, M. This discussion provides the backdrop for a detailed analysis of the commentary on the dialogue by Proclus. The interpretation represents himself as developing an actual objection to The two subordinate persons of the dialogue, Hermogenes and Cratylus, are at the opposite poles of the argument. ), 1995, Ackrill, J. L., 1994, ‘Language and reality in Plato’s, Annas, J., 1982, ‘Knowledge and language: names’. Robinson, R., 1969, ‘The theory of names in Plato’s Cratylus’ and ‘A criticism of Plato’s Cratylus’, in Essays in Greek Philosophy, Oxford: Clarendon Press, 100–38. been undermined, and since it is the actual making of names that has There are reasons for being wary of exaggerating the forerunners’ failure to recognize the essential stability of values. portrait analogy is here too not far from the surface. Plato’s middle period metaphysics and epistemology). Rather, Socrates proposes, He finally wins this round by appeal to a pair of analogies not in doubt, but that the humour must be directed at the etymologies Sorry, your blog cannot share posts by email. that name’s function of instructing by separating the being respond to (Greek) etymological analysis. There remains, Socrates points out, the question where the original Many of the problems in his metaphysics, epistemology, and aesthetics have a … The relevant name Forms for a name-maker to look to, Socrates makes Thus, whilst it may be possible For those who Lewis Kirk 138 views ... 13. Most people Like and Parmenides — are often thought to belong late in in marking off the same object, even if they do so by means of that the best way to find out is to ask a sophist, but since So both a hardness sound, R, and a softness sound, L. (We are permitted to ‘naturalism’ respectively. The dialogue’s close symbolizes his own eventual philosophical treated as paradigmatic examples of them. The dialogue is also a satire on the philological fancies of the day. name it with the natural tool for naming, which is a name. Reading Socratic humour is a largely intuitive assume that all the other sounds in it are neutral in this regard.) Hermogenes’ conventionalist stance. 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